By golly, Joomla has been awarded as the Best PHP Open Soure CMS in Packt Publishing's 2007 awards.
Joomla! is today revealed as the Award's third category winner, claiming Best Open Source PHP Content Management System. Last year's overall winner came out on top ahead of Drupal in second and e107 in third place and receives $2,000.
Joomla! was selected as the winner in the Best PHP category due to "its good front-end for administrators and end-users, which gives users a simple and traditional company website straight out of the box".
Now here is the interesting and confusing part, just because Joomla has won the Best PHP Open Souce does not mean they'll be winning the Overall Winner category. How can this be if the same five open source CMS (CMS Made Simple, Drupal, e107, Joomla, and PHP-Fusion) that were selected as finalists in the Best PHP are also in the Overall Winner Category? Well my friends, each category has a different panel of judges that may approach CMS applications with a different perspective.
You'll note that all the judges on the Best PHP panel come from a PHP-centric background. However, the judges in the Overall Winner panel are less language specific and perhaps takes a more well-rounded information system approach to content management systems. In other words, CMS Made Simple, Drupal, e107, and PHP-Fusion could easily be announced on Friday as the winner in the Overall category. Then again, Joomla! seems to have the lucky magic when it comes to these type of competitions.
Note - 4:39 PM CDT: rowanw also provided to CMS Report a similar story on the Best PHP award by Packt. He submitted the story about the same time we issued this story, so feel free to read his posted article for a different perspective. Thanks rowanw!
Comments
One would hope that the
One would hope that the judges have some influence on the winner, however with Wordpress taking the title for Best Social Networking CMS it doesn't give me much hope.
I wanna see some stats! Just how many votes does each CMS get and what do the judges really say?
Bryan - this is from the
Bryan - this is from the PackT rules:
A CMS cannot win more than one category. For example the Overall and Most Promising categories must be won by different CMS’s. This is to ensure that more than one open source CMS benefits from the Award
I'm hoping for Drupal on Friday. But, today, we're celebrating Joomla!'s recognition and it feels really good! It's been a long, hard year.
Amy Stephen
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
Thanks for the reminder, I
Thanks for the reminder, I forgot that was in the rules.
Amy, you have a good
Amy, you have a good point. Though, I was thinking that the ranking would/should reflect the actual vote of how a CMS was judged...but a CMS could only be awarded prize money from one category. For example, if Joomla also wins the Overall category then Drupal would receive by default the award money in the Best PHP category.
This is only Pact's second year for the award...so I'm sure they will learn a lot from this year on the need for better clarification. At least, I'm likely to suggest some improvements to them... :-) Hoqwcwe, I'd rather see this competion as is than no compeition at all for the open source projects.
I'm guessing (?) that
I'm guessing (?) that Overall was figured first, then the other winners were determined, given the rankings and rules. That would make sense to me and be a great way to provide more opportunity to celebrate. Honestly, I mean it when I say there is not a loser in the bunch - everyone freely giving. Fantastic.
I agree with you in that I don't mind the competition at all *provided* it never gets in the way of open sharing between project - and thus far, from my perspective, it only seems to have brought us closer together. So, keep it rolling, PackT and great job to all of the projects helping liberate (computing) knowledge to the world.
Congratulations to Joomla! And, Good luck Drupal! :-)
Amy Stephen
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
What if Drupal wins it all?
If Drupal wins the overall category and Drupal gets 2nd place for all of the categories it was nominated in, there would have been a chance that Drupal actually won all of the categories where it was a finalist. Based on the rule, they would take the best award and have the others be placed 2nd.
I think Drupal has won!!!
It's great that Packt placed a rule like that so more projects get support.
With a rule like that, it would pretty much spoil the suspense.... if Drupal wins :D
Correct
> I think Drupal has won!!!
Correct http://www.packtpub.com/article/drupal-w...
p.s. this WYSIWYG opens a blank popup when trying to add a link or image (using FF3).
Drupal wins
Yes, going to have to get something out (unless someone beats me to it)).
I've noticed that it sometimes takes a few seconds before the link window loads fully (yes frustrating, I know). What browser are you using?
Firefox 3 (aka
Firefox 3 (aka Minefield).
This is the only source of the popup:
I'd kill to take the WYSIWYG out of comments. ;)
Cutting edge WYSIWYG?
Non-geeks be for warned, geek-talk up ahead.
I'll take a look at the gui text editor I'm using, FCKeditor, and see what can be done. FCKeditor has a 2.5 beta that fixes some of the compatibility issues with Firefox 3 alpha. Meanwhile, I think there is being work done on the FCKeditor Drupal module that is being done to make it compatible in 2.5. Once Drupal.org's maintenance work is done and the site is back up...I'll go check.
In the meantime and if so desired, you should be able to hit "Source" in the text editor we're using if you wish to "remove" the WYSIWYG.
Joomla didn't win
Don't worry Drupal friends, let me tell you something, this whole award is total sh*t, why? Because of a rule they have setup and written very small which says that one CMS cannot win several categories, do you understand? Because Drupal won the overall best cms, it cannot win best php cms and best social networking cms, and that's the only reason why joomla and wordpress won those categories in front of Drupal... Now find another rule more stupid than this one? It makes people believe that joomla or wordpress are superior to Drupal when they're not!
http://blog-money-wiki.com/blog/2007/10/winner-of-best-php-cms-at-open-source-cms-awards-2007.php
In 2008 they changed this rule, and so Drupal won best php cms and best overall cms, like it should have done before!
Edited for language
I think it was a good change,
I think it was a good change, too. If a CMS is best - then it should surely be best in the language it was written, in addition to being best overall.
Now - to all of you Drupal contributors - those of you who work hard fixing bugs - adding features - sharing contributed modules - helping in the forums and creating spectacular videos and documentation - those organizing, attending and speaking at events - translators - those of you helping one another build site - after cool site - all around this increasingly small planet - we have our eye on you. And, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
Joomla! is bringing the heat, baby. Twice, now, you have taken the crown. Do not think for one moment we don't notice. We do. Twice now, you have pulled together as a community and made things happen. Please continue to raise the bar and do not be discouraged by our second win - next year. Just work harder the next.
Free software is anything but cheap - it's spectacular. Congrats to our great friends and generous contributors n Drupal. Rock on!
Amy :)
PS - I realize this is last year's thing - but message is the same. Do not let down, Drupal. We are coming on strong. ;-)
PSS - Hey Bryan! :-)
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
Hi Amy, I agree with you that
Hi Amy,
I agree with you that Drupal and Joomla! is best when the focus on the healthy aspects of competition. I also think Wordpress is putting just as much heat on Drupal and Joomla...especially with regards to user interface improvements.
As I said in a previous post, I'll also be interested in how Joomla's latest competition, MiaCMS, shapes things to come. Though I think Joomla! has the head start on community and community support. I consider all this discussion good for open source. It says that the software and the communities are evolving and growing.
WordPress rocks, no doubt.
WordPress rocks, no doubt. They got "simple" down. Everyone should take a good hard look at their editor - that's a shining example of function and form. Many do not realize that WP is very capable as a CMS. I would challenge anyone to name something that Drupal or J! can do that WP can't.
This next couple of years is catchup. We'll see each of the three majors trying to fill gaps and, if possible, innovate new directions, but mainly it'll be about filling the gaps.
Then, there is the battle of perception. Can WP shake it's image that it's a "sweet little blogger" but no one you'd take home to meet mom? Can Drupal venture into "easy" and still keep it's high class customer base? Can Joomla! convince the world it is a suitable choice for community plumbing?
As for the newcomers - boy - they'd have to really do something special - I think this race is in motion and it will be hard to (seriously) enter at this late date and have a shot at the ribbon. I do think there is room for niche solutions, though.
Will be fun!
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
I think one of the "niches"
I think one of the "niches" will be toward enterprise/intranet solutions. I've been looking for a CMS that can also offer good document management as well as some Microsoft Office/Sharepoint compatibility. So far the only open source CMS that seems to fit the bill is Alfresco.
Amy, you got me excited with I saw OSC.org in your signature. I was thinking the site was back!
Absolutely. I think Drupal is
Absolutely. I think Drupal is looking good in that space, too.
OSC is getting closer. When I decided I would bring it up in Joomla! - I did not want to settle for anything less than the strong community solution I had with Drupal. Further, I wanted a solution that was available to anyone - and I wanted it to be installable/updateable (nearly) as effortlessly as WP.
We are getting very close. Tibor Toth is doing spectacular work bundling the package. My personal blog will be first, before the group environment. I'll let you know! :-)
http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/jpress
http://OpenSourceCommunity.org
Glad to hear...
Hi Amy...
Glad to hear osc.org on the way back. It has been gone way too long. Best of luck in getting it up and running.
And I agree that Drupal is looking good for that particuar "niche" solution. Although it has a steep learning curve and is not near as painless as Wordpress or Joomla! to become proficient in, the return on the investment in time to learn how to beat it into submission is, in my opinion, well worth it!
P.S. Shameless Self-Promotion...I've been yet one more time redoing the visual interface at my personal website. If you, Bryan or anyone else cares to take a look and give me some constructive feedback on it, please feel free to do so via the site's "Contact Us" link.
http://hrpr.com (personal site)
http://halfvast.com (blog)
Hi Harry, Your sites are
Hi Harry,
Your sites are looking pretty good, I especially like the theme at hrpr.com.
-Bryan
The theme is
Thanks Bryan...
The theme is a customized version of RoopleTheme's NewsFlash.